In a pause of 12 days between Bali and Bali, have come to take refuge in Pai, Thailand in the mountains.
Lek instead remained at home to spend some time with the family he has not seen much lately.
A Pai I immediately directed to the guest house as last time, where the front desk guy I immediately happy: 200 baht per night (4.2 million) for a bungalow with Lan cable internet.
While filling in the form of check-in, asks me where I come from.
- "Italy", I say
- "Ahh .. no islael ah?" (Ah, not Israel, eh?)
- "No, no, Italy, why?"
- "Too bad Islael, many ploblemi Semple pufff ..."
- "Ah, yes, always complain huh?"
- "Yes, Semple complaints, leave the room and fight spolca"
- "Oh .... I also worked at the reception and I had to do with them ..."
- "Many guest house when alliva islael, says that full, not volele"
I continue to fill out the form, I see quite stressed and do not want to deepen the discussion.
Mind writing, as in a sigh, I hear him say "... Hitlel".
"Clear ..." I think "we are at this point?"
I do not answer and let the subject drop.
Had I been in another country and I tried to talk him out of things to make his opinion less drastic.
But in Thailand if you agree talk and if you do not agree shut up, that is to make people understand that you do not agree.
A theoretical argument does not take any opinion, they see the facts and judge based on those.
Then, since it is not the first time I am in front of this Israeli-Thai dispute and because they are now an old man who has fought his battles, I let myself go to a "Azzi them."
That is, I think, is certainly not to me to try to defend the Israeli right?
I honestly do not understand.
Look at the Germans. They made a mess during the Second World War. The unspeakable things of which you do not ever released.
All the post-war generezione is crushed by remorse for the things that they did but their fathers and grandfathers.
Those who feel guilty about Mussolini in Italy? Not me (I feel guilty for B. by the way).
They are a nation in a constant tension to show others and especially themselves that Nazism and cruelty are not part of their genetic code.
During the war in Yugoslavia was in Germany and I have known families that have hosted refugees in the house for years, while we Italians good people put them in camps.
They tried to pay a debt acquired by their fathers.
What is right or not, that the Germans are good or bad, it does not matter here.
I just want to highlight a reaction to the problem: the world hates us and we try to behave in a manner that does not hate us anymore.
Logical, intelligent adult.
But Israel?
Israel had two choices:
1) The world hates us and we try to behave in a manner that does not hate us anymore.
2) The world has made us so bad, we are victims and we all have to make excuses and woe to those who speak ill of us and instill anti-Semitism.
He chose the latter with the result that the most powerful agents of anti-Semites are the Israelis themselves who go around the world to understand why the world hated them.
And we, if we say negative things, as I am doing, we must be afraid of being considered anti-Semitic.
And there are even laws that restrict my freedom of expression in this context.
I do not know these laws, I say what I think and I see. Port facts and opinions. Can I?
I have not got on with them, in fact I am very sorry for your situation.
They have suffered enough, right?
Here nothing to do with politics.
An average Thai does not know anything about politics, the Palestinians do not care if it ever heard of.
It 'a perfect example of a tabula rasa.
You come and if you dislike an Italian, he will record in its filing that the Italians are unpleasant.
Then I get a nice and say that some are funny and some not.
Then we get another nice and say that the majority of Italians are funny.
Pure statistics.
And if when you get in a shop or guest house and not Thai welcomes you with a smile but with a hard stare, and you already know for sure is that the reason has to do with the Israelis, and has learned not to smile more , understand that there is something very wrong.
Because the Thai forgive many things but not rude.
If you're making a rude attack on the social contract and does not deserve anything.
So, Israel, this small nation of 7 million inhabitants surrounded by enemies, sent around the world a series of public relations agents that result to extend the list of nations who have it with them.
Crazy.
But I do not blame him.
They are a people traumatized child who is having a reaction to a serious problem and does not seem to realize the long-term consequences.
Do you want to buy Hollywood and show us a lot of sympathy for Israeli films.
Ben Stiller and Adam Sandler will not change the opinion of my receptionist.
And 'in the field that you win this struggle and are losing them again.
And to think that it would take a bit of good education ...
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June 25th, 2009 at 08:57
pure anti-Semitism
June 25th, 2009 at 10:02
I knew is not the history of Israel and receptionists to Fuerte ... I've never met ... but base their idea of a people from the receptionist is dramatic in the case of any nationality ... English, German, Dutch, Scandinavian crazy ... I have a corollary after 4 years of reception.
ps: have you seen my guitar? -> http://myhandmadeguitar.blogspot.com
June 25th, 2009 at 11:59
This comes from Mexico who will be the usual ... who writes under false names?
A former manager frustrated by years of forum moderation that takes revenge now?
June 26th, 2009 at 07:59
In years of wandering the world I was able to come across frequently in Israeli backpackers. After their military service lasts for 3 years (two for women), many of them take a sabbatical and set off with a preference for those destinations like the cheap India, South America and, in fact, the South East Asia. If traveling alone remain anonymous utter, if they are together they can form the group most obnoxious and loud one you can imagine. The opinion given by you seems to be the exact copy of many other impressions heard around the world about their behaviors and attitudes. I got to know them at home on a trip to Israel that I still remember today as the only full of pissed off all of those made so far. I counted the days that were missing on my return to Milan! I never would have said!
Stephen
June 26th, 2009 at 24:43
just out of curiosity I searched for "Israeli backpackers" into Google ...
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=israeli+backpackers&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
is not just roses and flowers, eh!
Even the Israeli embassy in India do not know what to do with them
June 26th, 2009 at 17:48
I do not like this post.
Not because what you write is not true: it is more likely that things will be as short stories, but I wonder how many other similar examples could be done. For example, I could not stand to say that the North Africans, false and aggressive, or that blacks have a bad odor, that Gypsies steal, that the southerners have little desire to work: all true (?), But useless, even harmful to reiterate. Why go out of their way to remove the idiots arguments for racism increasingly popular, because nothing cements a group that attacked the feeling across the board, because I am convinced that only good individual practices will help everyone to improve themselves and improve on the other.
June 27th, 2009 at 05:28
Francis,
I believe that the way the filter what you think or say anything because it sounds racist (but is not), what advice the way you both have historically failed.
And 'the famous political correctness, not to make negative statements with respect to a group because "they are not all like that and one can not generalize," while at the same time you can safely generalize the positive things like "that organized the Germans" or "that Balinese art. "
Hypocritical, no?
Both the mica most people think that Ruby is not the gypsies, Arabs etc ... are not aggressive. Mica will make their opinion about your silence but on:
1) what they see
2) what they are told by racists
and we never give a chance to think about and find the motivations (in the case of Israeli backpackers 3 years of the military for example), because they are taboo.
Just does not work, let's cut this hypocrisy and let us stop being afraid.
Better to say negative things, they take off the mouths of otherwise real racists are the ones who say "things as they are."
You take away the exclusivity and we can afford to tell us in a more objective, calm and analytical.
So I do not think it is useless and harmful to reiterate, but useful, because finally someone who says it has no preconceptions.
(Yesterday I got a number of Israeli and Thai: This morning I woke up at 3 am because there were people who did the casino. It was the Thai, heh heh!)
June 27th, 2009 at 08:38
Luke
I agree with you on almost everything, and the problem of political correctness is a little too big because I steal space to develop it, so do not insist.
But ....
July 1st, 2009 at 09:00
I read more and more I find that Luke wrote to 90% of the things that I think.
And if you read it well no one will ever think that any inclination fanatic .. use common sense and observe without preconceptions.
With regard to the subject matter I had read the Lonely Planet for this aspect is that South America to India.
So I was ready to verify or disprove it at the first opportunity to meet.
In India, the motion on the highlands at 4000 feet I punctured the tire of the bike, and two motorcyclists isrealiani gave me a tube and her company until I solved the problem (with 5 riders Indians) in Leh Ladahk c ' isrealiani were many young people, they were mostly between them but I have never seen or heard complaints disturbing scenes.
I then vanda my bike to a blond boy fallout and the deal was proper.
Then I flew to Goa, and there one evening in a restaurant bar completely full, I think there were only boys isrealiani, all quietly playing cards and chatting amiably.
Moving to South America on the trails of the Parque Torres del Paine, I met children of all nationalities and the only ones who do not greet you and looked into the faces were the isrealiani, but even here, in large campsites that we all will sleep .. 8 or 10-hour walk on the shoulders!
Quast are my experiences.
Of fact to discuss these things or not I agree with Luke that thinking about but not much better, of course we must always remember that there are exceptions to the generalizations too large.
Indeed, probably the isrealiani rude, thieves, gypsies and Italians dishonest and failing to pay taxes are a minority, perhaps a 5 or one of ten .... But always too much compared to other groups or nationalities.
I conclude by saying that there are rowdy guys in their twenties in all countries and that these trips met many of the other guys came from Scandinavia, Switzerland, France, Germany .... But try to send a group of 10 Italian or Chilean children around the world ... I know that some damage would combine the image.
Sooner or later I'll go in Israel, and so then I'll direct idea.
July 1st, 2009 at 22:57
A friend of mine was among the anecdotes and Patagonia there is one: it was soaked to the hair because it had rained and had nothing more to dry, and the only borrow something to wear ... they were Israelis.
Generalizing is stupid applies to Italian, Gypsy, English, Greek, North African, for anyone.
Hello
July 1st, 2009 at 23:24
Luke is a very big your generalization.
In short, you say that your opinion is without bias, but based on some of your statements backpackers jerk you met in your travels and try to substantiate your argument with the comment of a receptionist in Thailand.
Also when shooting at stake the sufferings of the Jewish people do not pull into play only Israelis but Jews in general, and not Israelis.
Tell me if this is not a generalization?!
It 's like if I say that because when I was in Thailand I have seen hundreds of prostitutes in bars and restaurants where I was then the Thais are all whores!
And 'exactly the reasoning that you did.
Nobody wants to take away your right of expression but I think what you wrote is wrong.
Hello.
David
July 2nd, 2009 at 06:05
That is a generalization of the classical theme of communication, and the problem is the interpretation of the words.
When I say "the Germans are organized" no contest because I assume that I am not referring to 100% of the Germans, but I am saying succinctly, "the Germans are organized. Not all of course, but most, and in particular most of those who know. There are also disorganized the Germans but in this context would not specify it because it's obvious. "
Common sense and the fact that I'm praising the Germans pass is as good succinct version.
But when I say something negative, like "Israeli backpackers are rude" here is that the shields are raised to say that they are not all like that.
Since I did not say that they are all so I thought it was obvious: they are so most of the ones I have met and think like most people who have traveled and have them met.
So I think you have enough hard data available to say that in general are rude.
If you want me to do the distinctions I make them, but should be enough common sense, you use the same when I say that the Germans are organized or Brazilian cute.
But no, if you say one bad thing happens always a mess.
Never say negative things in public, let's face at the bar, where we all agree.
In all this is rather Ambaradan missed the most important thing: how to solve the problem.
The problem is not objective and should not be discussed: Israeli backpackers (not all, exceptions etc. etc. ...) are a "pain in the ass" and for other backpackers and locals.
I tried to open a discussion to present the problem and advise them to behave better.
That would be a real step forward, right?
But we are here to debate whether or not it is true that they are all well, to say that I am generalizing and bring several examples virtuous.
The result is that the taboo remains untouched and they will continue to make a bad figure, increasing the number of people who have one of them.
With bad consequences for them in the long term.
Perhaps I had not realized, I personally do not have one of them.
July 6th, 2009 at 09:31
The last response Luke does nothing but repeat his main post, it was already clear from the beginning. But I noticed that those who do not want to understand not understand, focusing on some details and interpreting them in his own way. I thought it was a copy because post addresses a topic uncomfortable and it does it correctly even if not politically correct.
July 8th, 2009 at 08:54
Unfortunately it is very difficult really to think for themselves and try every time to look without preconceptions.
It 'also very difficult to find people who listen to you or you read it carefully.
And this is further confirmation.
The world is superficial ... ... and always wants you to deploy a part of the net.
When you say "white" white people will praise you, but when you realize that on another occasion is right "black" then it will suffer the criticism of those siding with "white".
And in the end you just ... .. But it's worth it!
July 16th, 2009 at 15:12
Hello Luca,
old receptionist from both villages, both in hotels in Italy and abroad I can only confirm that Israeli and American-Israeli customers are the worst pain in the ass because all'invero similar (always always always complains from them) and leave the rooms in one was obscene. I'm not saying one in 10, I'm talking about all the times that we have hosted families, couples or singles from Israel. The peaceful and orderly were the exception.
I also want to say something else. This is not about racism, antisemitism or other, here is just a matter of .. I do not know either. Working in hotels it is normal to make categories of customer: the Japanese quiet and never grumpy, good tips, but the Germans very picky about the services, the Americans, but raw big tips, but so much attention and you can go on for hours .. tell me a nation, a region, a country and tell you a stereotype that fits perfectly and almost never are wrong. Abroad, however, the Italians are in second place, after the Israelis, as bad-clients. A salute to Thailand .. I am now in Liguria and is divided by country (the Varese, from Milan, Bergamo, top and bottom ...)
July 17th, 2009 at 20:46
Hello everyone ... .... I have come here from the site of Stephen
Share what was said originally, I was able to spend 13 hours in the company of several Israeli backpackers on the bus from Krabi led to Bkk.Spero not to see! As the German girl in front of me had pulled down the seat and since I am well placed apprestanto I was to do the same ... ... .. I came from behind two "sconocchiate" on the head ... ... ... guess who was? An Israeli Panzona began to insult me like crazy This is crazy! No one is ever allowed to touch me in my entire life ... ... ... there was really bad, a rudeness baffling
Hello Danilo
July 21st, 2009 at 13:15
Luke argues that because the world is experiencing a sense of guilt toward the Israelis (in case of the Jews, because they are Jews have suffered persecution) then the Israelis feel authorized to go around the world to break the balls at all!
I think this is a big bullshit.
I do not mean necessarily that they are nice, in fact, probably what Luke says is true, but frankly, the socio-historical analysis with which Luke explains the rude behavior of Israeli backpakers seems totally busted.
From a traveler enlightened philosopher and I would have expected something more profound.
Hello
David
July 21st, 2009 at 15:41
David,
well if you read the rudeness I have not linked to the sense of guilt "World".
They are two different things.
I do not know why they are rude, I can only say that in general are rude (ok ... ok ... not all, have you met a nice, ok ...).
And I can also say that you act in a pitying, justified or not, does not help their cause.
Perhaps there is a link between their victimization and the rudeness ('have it all up with me, so why should I be kind? "), And this is what I said.
In fact they are concepts that may be mistaken.
What I said is that I think would agree to a different attitude.
Then, for the speech Israel / Jews, it seems to me that you want to search for the nitpicking. Concepts are different, but similar enough to allow their use in a blog a few indistinct lines.
December 14th, 2010 at 19:21
confirm what the blogger said. I was also in Israel and the Occupied Territories of Palestine, to try to understand "live" the Israeli-Palestinian and especially as I always do for a living people, from any prejudice against anyone.
but I regret to say that my experience in Israel has been totally negative. The people with whom I came in contact in Israel were constantly aggressive without good reason and did not speak English. I had several serious difficulties to travel, to do more with the Israelis spoke to me constantly in Hebrew also understand that if I did not understand, but I could speak English. They are cocky and think every opportunity to be the only ones entitled to everything, are very ethnocentric. In addition, I was also in the poorest neighborhoods and discrimination than the Ethiopians is evident. While I must say that TERRITORIES Palestinians despite the deterioration of roads, villages, cities, people have always helped me were wonderful, super hospitable even when they had nothing, curious, open and above all very patient, having regard to the flood of checkpoints that must be overcome. The situation in the city of Hebron shocked me, Israeli settlers are very very aggressive there, and the kids are all armed from 16 years of age, while the Palestinians can not even keep a fruit knife in the house. I do not want to create conflict, saying these things, I left without waiting for anything, even with a bit of fear in going into the occupied territories, but the reality turned out to be my eyes and my ears and made me understand many things that the media you really do not understand. There have been two months. I'm not saying that they are sufficient, but they are for an overview. There is an injustice perpetrated against the Palestinians in the Territories at home, but nevertheless maintain a love of life and a perpetual smile; also know perfectly well the English, more than me, because I had no problem in traveling in the minibus territories, the only problem was the checkpoints. The Israelis will scream to do things in Hebrew. BAH ...